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Daily Dose of Queer – Marriage

Several months ago a group of bloggers were talking about us/them situations.  Specifically about how people might make decisions about who you are and what you believe based on what they read on your blog and what they know about other people "like" you.  A specific situation that I shared was that people will come to my blog (or my board) and once they know I’m in a lesbian relationship, they will assume I support gay marriage because other gay folks they know do.  I don’t.

Koan very nicely emailed me and asked if I would mind explaining why I felt this way.  Of course I didn’t mind, I also never made time to explain, either.  Well here I am, about to attempt an explanation and also attempt to explain why someone else’s writing speaks for me in such a way that I often want to use her words, her sexist words, when discussing and debating gay marriage.  I am somewhat doubtful that this will help her understand what I said or why I said it.  I am also going to be very clear and say that it doesn’t matter to me whether it does clear the fog, or not.  I learned long ago that it is often impossible to bring people to an understanding.  We’re all individuals.  Something that makes perfect sense to me will never make sense to you.  That’s ok, that’s life.  Differences are always good.  (Oh, and no cracks from the peanut gallery about the 3 paragraph rule! Or else! hehehe)

I am not in support of gay marriage.  (I am not in support of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage either, though.)  I’m not out on the picket lines with the Christian Coalition or any other member of the far right (or middle America, for that matter), who is actively working to ban gay marriage.  I’m also not signing any petitions or waving any rainbow flags in support.  This is not my issue and I do not want to be used or have my relationship used either for or against marriage.  I have issues with marriage.

My issues with marriage have absolutely nothing to do with my 20+ year heterosexual marriage.  I had issues with the institution of marriage then, I just ignored those issues and got married anyway.  And stayed married.  As I grew up and grew older it became more difficult for me to ignore all of the issues I have with marriage.  And as I grew up and older and away from my now ex-husband, it became incredibly clear to me that I would not EVER get married AGAIN.  To anyone. 

I don’t really understand why anyone would, particularly any woman.  Except that culturally we view marriage as some magical bond between two people that everyone should want.  For me, that magic has absolutely nothing to do with a ceremony, religious or familial.  That magic has nothing to do with legal rights or finanical benefits.  That magic has nothing to do with a piece of paper or the way you’re treated in society when you tell people you are married. 

Marriage, the insitution, is something I can not support.  That doesn’t mean that I think bad thoughts about married couples.  That doesn’t mean I wasn’t incredibly sad about missing my oldest daughter’s wedding.  That doesn’t mean I wasn’t pleased as punch for my brother and sister in law when they got married a couple of years ago. 

When it comes to the gay fight for equal rights, I’m there ladies and gentleman.  I’m just not down with the idea that equal rights = marriage.  I think gay people (and those who support them) are hoping that once gays HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY then everything will be all rosy and bright and the scarey "right" will finally see that WE’RE JUST LIKE YOU!  Umm no. 

And this brings us to Twisty Faster and her awesome essay entitled Homos Need to Grow a Pair.  I’ve stumbled in and out of I Blame the Patriarchy for years (look at the date on the Essay in question!) and Twisty quite often says things that I agree with completely.  She also, occasionally, says things that I disagree with completely.  When I first read that particular entry about gays and marriage I wanted to jump up and down for joy.  Right on Twisty, right ON!  (If you have not taken the time to read the entire entry then you either should or you should just stop reading right here because the rest of this is really not going to make sense to you…)

Ever since I read that post, I’ve had an urge to say "Grow a pair!" every time I hear someone talk about wanting "gay marriage".  Obviously "Grow a pair" is not an argument.  I never suggested that one, tiny, sexist phrase was an argument or a phrase that would encourage anyone to come around to my way of thinking.  When I made that tiny little comment on Blogher a couple of days ago, in response to Grace’s post about Twisty Faster, I had no idea anyone would assume that was my entire argument.  Good grief! 

I did however know that there were women lurking who would take offense to the phrase "Grow a pair".  and if you look at my initial reply, you will see that what I said was "I want to say it" not that I do say it.  It is sexist.  But that is what made it stick in my head so long ago.  It is sexist and it was the perfect title for a post about marriage and the patriarchy and the incredibly obvious (to me) reasons why gay people should not be clamoring to join the club and why the conservative right ought to be clamoring to let us in.

No, "grow a pair" is not an argument, Koan.  I never said it was.  Yes, "grow a pair" is sexist.  Yes, it’s offensive.  But marriage is also sexist and also offensive – Koan said "if you can’t beat it, become it, is that it" – and "two wrongs don’t make a right" … exactly the point.

Gays are jumping all over themselves to win the right to marry because if we can’t beat ’em, become  ’em.  And no, two wrongs don’t make a right – so, ladies and gentlemen,  to paraphrase the great Twisty Faster – grow a pair and refuse to cave to the patriarchy, refuse to support the oppression and stop looking for world-wide validation of your relationships. 

**edited on 2/11/06 to include direct links to comments in the original discussion on Blogher**


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Charis Books and More

I don’t know why we’ve never noticed Charis Books and More on previous trips to Atlanta.  I could use the excuse that we most often go at night and it’s set just far enough off of the main road that it is easy to miss.  But we’ve gone often enough during the daytime that you’d think we’d have noticed it.  Weird.  Maybe the fact that we’ve missed it is part of what’s keeping Charis in financial trouble?  Or maybe it’s just that small independent bookstores everywhere are suffering?

I made sure we visited this time.  It was the least we could do since we all three really love our little women’s bookstore, Wild Iris and would be very sad if it closed.  We even bought a little rubber wristband to support their cause.  But, well, we weren’t really all that impressed. 

We’ve heard about how great this bookstore and what we found was a pretty run of the mill woman’s bookstore.  Nothing unusual or special about it.  I’m not sure what we were expecting – something to live up to the hype?  Oh well, that’s ok, it didn’t stop us from spending just shy of $100 in there, did it?  Charis doesn’t have to be anything other than what it is to be worthwhile to the community.  It was a nice, clean, well-lit bookstore full of interesting books.  Tons of women’s literature, lots of GLBT books, a nice children’s section and TW’s favorite item, Pussy Pucker Pots (you’re welcome, TechnoDyke). 

If you’re in Atlanta, visit L5P and be sure not to miss Charis set back just a tiny bit from Moreland, on Euclid.  The oldest feminist bookstore in the south is worth a visit. 

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Clearcut

I’m going to go on the record with this once more, because it’s been quite some time since I’ve needed to say it. Which is good because I use to have to say it everyday, back when that “curious” board still existed.

Threesomes are a bad idea

There, I said it. Again. Too bad Early, Zan and Reed did not ask my advice before the entered into that madness. But then again, if they had listened to me would Early have learned all of those great lessons? Not that those lessons did a whole lot of good for Zan or for Reed. But hey, one person came out of it bruised and battered but wiser than when he started, right? 1 out of 3, that’s not so bad, right?

I had trouble sticking with this one. Probably because I knew it was going to be a threesome thing and I knew that meant trouble. I wasn’t really in the mood for trouble. So, it took me a full week to read the first 133 pages. Then it took me a full day to read the last 150. Once I resigned myself to the trouble, it wasn’t a bad book. A little predictable (Threesomes are a bad idea, folks) but unusual in the setting and the characters. Though I suppose since we’ve got gay cowboys, gay logging guys shouldn’t feel that unusual should they. Oops, bisexual. Err ummm, polyamorous? Nah, if it had been polyamory it wouldn’t have ended as badly. Or maybe it would have. I don’t know. I don’t generally give advice about polyamorous relationships. Threesomes, I can advise on. Polyamory, not so much.

If you’re interested in a love triangle/sex triangle (M, M, F) with some interesting people (Though it would have been nice if Zan and Reed had been given more depth but what can you ask for in a book this short?) then Clearcut is your book. If you’re not into it, well I can’t blame you, because threesomes are trouble!

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Daily Dose of Queer – Sex

Darn, I didn’t even have time to rant about UF’s nice new domestic partner benefits clause that forced you to swear you are in a “non-platonic relationship” with your domestic partner. Now they’ve withdrawn that requirement. HMPH. That’s what I get for having so many children and so much work to do that I don’t have time to make fun of Gators when they deserve it. Darn Darn Darn.


Well at least now we can consider the benefit options – we couldn’t before since we’re not only too busy to blog about this issue, we’re also too busy to actually HAVE sex.

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Daily Dose of Parenting – Queer Advice

**Edited to add… click into Dr P’s blog and his comments now.  He was linked in Grand Rounds today and I think we have one example of the kind of parent who would do this.**

I never thought I’d be linking to Dr P’s blog.  I don’t really have much need for pediatric advice (knock on wood).  I’m not even sure why I read Dr P’s blog today.  I clicked it by accident and there I was, looking at "God Bless P-Town".  Huh?  What does P-Town have to do with pediatrics or even Dr P?  I figured I might should read it and find out… even if it is really LONG.

I’ve never actually met anyone who was tossed out by their parents because they came out.  I have met some teens who are sure they will be.  I have one living with me half of the time who insists his parents don’t like his relationship choices (he’s bi) – personally I think they just don’t like his life choices in general but that’s another story – but I don’t think they’ve ever tossed him out for being bi.  I can’t imagine kicking a child out of your home, for any reason.  It was hard enough to watch Michelle leave when she thought she wanted to live with her dad.  Someone suggested recently I shouldn’t let Chris move back in, how could I not?  He’s my child.  Ya know?

How will you deal with your feelings if your child grows up to be other than you want them to be?  Better think about it now, while your children are young – it happens.  Often.

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Daily Dose of Movies – Brokeback

I didn’t like it. I don’t see what the fuss was all about. Don’t flame me for it and don’t try and take away my GLBT membership card either.


I liked that it wasn’t the typical display of effeminate caricatures of gay men that we most often see. I liked that there was no happy ending which would have been pretty unrealistic, all things considered. I just don’t think it was worthy of all of the applause and the hype and the attention it has received. It was a B-movie about gay cowboys. A good B-movie but still a B-movie.


Ho-hum.


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Breakfast With Michelle

Oops, sorry! That should be Breakfast With Tiffany but Tiffany is a mirror image of our Michelle and it very quickly became difficult to separate the two. Tiffany is very real and very honest. I don’t think Mr Winty exaggerated in the least when sharing her with us. I do wonder if he hasn’t just been spying on us and used Michelle as a model for Tiffany. I mean seriously folks, if you want to know what my almost 16 year old daughter is like and what we have lived with everyday since she hit pre-teenhood then this is the book for you.

This is probably the book for you even if you don’t care one iota about our lives and our Michelle because teen girls are everywhere! They aren’t all like Tiffany and Michelle but you would be surprised by how many ARE very much like this. Knowledge is power, ladies and gentlemen. The more you know about how these fascinating creatures think, the safer you are.

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Daily Dose of Music – With a Twist

Sony is launching a new music label, Music With a Twist.  The line up will include GLBT artists "who have mass appeal and hit potential across all musical genres". 

What, exactly does that mean?  And do GLBT musicians want or need a separate label?

If it means they’re looking for GLBT artists whose music reflects who they are and where they’ve come from and truly resonates with the GLBT community, then heck yea.  Why not?  Colleen asks "Would Elton John jump at the chance to be on Music With a Twist?" – that’s not a fair question at all.  Obviously at this stage in the game, he wouldn’t.  Why would he?  He is gay, certainly, but his music doesn’t reflect his homosexuality, the GLBT culture or anything else that’s gay.  30 years ago would he have jumped, I think he might have.   The real question is would a group like our local group Redboy jump to join?  I haven’t talked to them but I bet you they certainly would.  I’ll ask TJ (the non lesbian boy drummer in the band) the next time I see him and get back to you on that.

If it means they’re looking for GLBT artists whose music is gender neutral and watered down for mass consumption, then I cannot imagine a GLBT artist wanting to be included on such a label.

Look at what happened to Melissa Ferrick and Atlantic.  Lesbian chic was in and still Atlantic didn’t know what to do with her.  They had a special gay marketing group and still they didn’t know what to do with her.  If this is more of the same, then Music With a Twist isn’t going to work for a lot of artists or for GLBT consumers. 

And speaking of Melissa and twists – Here she is talking about this little label and it’s looking like she’s either in or she wants to be in.    Which again answers Colleen’s question – Elton may not want in, but Melissa does. 

As Melissa will tell you during every performance, it isn’t about whether you are gay, straight, bisexual or transgendered – it’s about the music.  But she’s smart enough to know who got her where she is and what it takes to get her where she wants to go.  A solidly promoted alternative label like Music With a Twist can allow her to use the GLBT fan base in a positive way – and from there the music will do the rest.

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Feminist Bookstores?

Do we really need feminist bookstores anymore?

I saw this tiny little question linked to a tiny little article about a bookstore I’ve never been to.  I was immediately sorry to realize that even though we’ve been to Atlanta many, many times and we’ve been to quite a few bookstores, we have never been to this one.  When we go back again, which will be soon, we will seek this one out and enjoy it while we can – since it seems the end may be near. 

But beyond this particular bookstore, the question is what really stuck with me.  Do we?  Do we really still need these kinds of bookstores? 

Of course we do!  Ummm or do we?  I’ve gone back and forth with this, over and over again for two weeks and I still don’t know the answer.  Not for myself or for the collective "we". 

I didn’t grow up with a feminist bookstore.  I don’t think I visited my first one til I was in my late 20’s.  Until I moved to Gainesville in 2002 I did not live in a town that had one.  So do we really need them?  I did fine without one, right? 

One of the best things about this town is it’s tiny little women’s bookstore, Wild Iris.  We don’t go often, we can’t afford it!  Everytime we go in, we walk out with a ton of books and another $100 (or more!) on a credit card.  Just knowing it is there, though, makes me happy.  It makes me happy to hear my almost 16 year old say "Oh I bet they have that at Wild Iris".  It makes me happy to hear her say she went in to browse at Wild Iris while she was wandering around downtown.  When we had our mommy and me day last month, we enjoyed going in together and browsing and talking about the books and the women’s comic books and just being there.  In that female space. 

Last year (or was it the year before) we thought Wild Iris might close.  Luckily a new buyer was found and it survives.  And it appears to be the only surviving feminist bookstore in Florida.  Imagine that…

This still doesn’t answer the question – or maybe it’s the wrong question altogether.  Maybe it isn’t about need, it’s about want and the answer to that is a definite yes.  We still want feminist bookstores.  Definitely. 

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Daily Dose of GLBT – Us/Them

Us/Them, Us/Them, Us/Them, it’s everywhere!

Once again, I find myself listening to a bunch of lesbians (and maybe some bisexual women I’m not sure though because the last time this group argued it was about the inclusion of bi women and I just don’t know how that ended up) talk about excluding F2M transgendered folks from their group.

This is happening on  a Yahoo Group for lesbians in my area.  It’s a pretty boring group, as far as groups go, until someone who doesn’t belong makes her (or his) presence known and then all heck breaks loose.

The group very clearly says it’s is for lesbian women (though I’m sure they use some other spelling womyn or wimmin or something more granola-y old world pc like that) and some just do not like it when those who don’t fit those two categories join in. 

It doesn’t matter if they’re great people.  It doesn’t matter if they’re active in the GLBT community.  It doesn’t matter one little bit.  If you aren’t a lesbian and a woman then you don’t apply to join and if you get in somehow, go away quickly or they”ll eat your young!

It’s all so tiring.

I understand women only spaces.  I even support them, sort of.  I mean if you look at my 101 things to do in 1001 days, you’ll see Go to Michigan on that list.  And while some people enjoy visiting Michigan just for no good reason, the reason I want to go is to attend, just once, the Michigan Womyn’s Festival.   Those folks have a serious women born women policy.  I don’t love it but I understand it and respect the idea behind it.  (That’s a post for another day, folks so don’t get me started!)

I also understand the point being made by the most vocal woman on the list – a transgendered F2M considers himself to be a man and she supports that.  So much so that she feels he does not belong in this particular Yahoo group because a) he’s a man b) he’s partnered with a woman which makes him heterosexual c) and that makes the "once lesbian" partner heterosexual.  Makes sense, really.  I understand it and I agree with her.  You can’t have it both ways, can you? 

I understand the people screaming and yelling about what a nice guy he is and how he grew up as a girl in a patriarchal society.  I understand that these folks appreciate his life experience as a serious butch in the lesbian world until finally realizing he wasn’t such a butch, he was a man!  I understand why some people want to allow him access to the list, simply because he’s awesome and they can learn from him.

I understand it all and it all makes sense.   What I don’t understand, what doesn’t make sense, is why all of the screaming and yelling?  I mean really?  The list says X so we must follow X or we must change the list so it says XY or maybe XY XX YY or something.  Talk it out, make a decision and move on.  Please.  It’s been a month of this.  How long does it take to decide?  And what in the world does God have to do with any of it?  No wait, forget I asked.  I don’t really want to know the answer, it would just mean another month of arguing back and forth.

Us/Them, Us/Them, Us/Them Enough already!

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